[service-orientated-architecture] Ding! Dong! SOA is finally, really, dead!

[Nick Gall [e-mail] [service-orientated-architecture]]

Just published:
https://medium.com/@ironick/ding-dong-service-oriented-architecture-is-finally-really-dead-3e6218da8ab

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It is true that one does not often see references to SOA nowadays. Does that mean it is dead or taken as read? There are still quite a few of articles written on Microservices.

Gervas

[John Evdemon [e-mail] [service-orientated-architecture]]

SOA is very much alive as a design philosophy and is unlikely to
disappear regardless of how often it is versioned, renamed, or
re-branded.  This group, however, seems to have reached room temperature
long ago.

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[Steve Jones [e-mail] [service-orientated-architecture]]

Or alternatively the reality is that the hijacking of the term "SOA" by
vendors and analysts to mean Web Services is dead and the reality is that
service oriented architectures are now pretty much the only way that anyone
builds anything these days.

What is, thankfully, dead is the concept that SOA was about WS-* rather
than about how you design and deliver infrastructures.

When building large scale AI solutions the architectural concepts of SOA
are very much not dead. With the rise of Swagger we've seen the acceptance
of contract first development within the REST community (thankfully) we've
seen the near universal adoption of service orientation as an architectural
approach. Now sure there is a bit of snakeoil from the microservices
rebranding, but anyone who thinks that isn't service oriented architecture
is most likely shilling something.

SOA is dead in the way that OO is dead based on the lack of OO design email
lists. The reality is that its BAU and not a discussion that needs to be
had anymore. Unlike in 2006 when some folks thought it was about REST v
WS-*

http://service-architecture.blogspot.com/2006/05/soap-v-rest-more-pointless-than-vi-v.html

Steve

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['Brooks, Richard' [e-mail] [service-orientated-architecture]]

Wow, I thought this list was dead.

True enough the WS v REST days are behind us. Services are everywhere (API’s are services) and development methodologies/tools are maturing, i.e. Swagger.

I haven’t heard from Don Box in ages and ebxml seems to have traction in Europe. Does UN/CEFACT still exist?

Cheers,
Dick Brooks

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Or alternatively the reality is that the hijacking of the term "SOA" by vendors and analysts to mean Web Services is dead and the reality is that service oriented architectures are now pretty much the only way that anyone builds anything these days.

What is, thankfully, dead is the concept that SOA was about WS-* rather than about how you design and deliver infrastructures.

When building large scale AI solutions the architectural concepts of SOA are very much not dead. With the rise of Swagger we've seen the acceptance of contract first development within the REST community (thankfully) we've seen the near universal adoption of service orientation as an architectural approach. Now sure there is a bit of snakeoil from the microservices rebranding, but anyone who thinks that isn't service oriented architecture is most likely shilling something.

SOA is dead in the way that OO is dead based on the lack of OO design email lists.. The reality is that its BAU and not a discussion that needs to be had anymore. Unlike in 2006 when some folks thought it was about REST v WS-*

http://service-architecture.blogspot.com/2006/05/soap-v-rest-more-pointless-than-vi-v.html

Steve

On 9 March 2018 at 09:21, Nick Gall ***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com> [service-orientated-architecture] <service-orientated-***@yahoogroups.com<mailto:service-orientated-***@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

Just published: https://medium.com/@ironick/ding-dong-service-oriented-architecture-is-finally-really-dead-3e6218da8ab

-- Nick

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I agree.


That pretty much sums up where this group landed a few years back.


If Anne Thomas (Gartner) is still subscribed to this group maybe she can sum it up for us all (OK I admit I have read the 2017 Gartner paper she co-authored on this very subject - which I agree with).


David.

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Or alternatively the reality is that the hijacking of the term "SOA" by vendors and analysts to mean Web Services is dead and the reality is that service oriented architectures are now pretty much the only way that anyone builds anything these days.

What is, thankfully, dead is the concept that SOA was about WS-* rather than about how you design and deliver infrastructures.


When building large scale AI solutions the architectural concepts of SOA are very much not dead. With the rise of Swagger we've seen the acceptance of contract first development within the REST community (thankfully) we've seen the near universal adoption of service orientation as an architectural approach. Now sure there is a bit of snakeoil from the microservices rebranding, but anyone who thinks that isn't service oriented architecture is most likely shilling something.


SOA is dead in the way that OO is dead based on the lack of OO design email lists.. The reality is that its BAU and not a discussion that needs to be had anymore. Unlike in 2006 when some folks thought it was about REST v WS-*


http://service-architecture.blogspot.com/2006/05/soap-v-rest-more-pointless-than-vi-v.html http://service-architecture.blogspot.com/2006/05/soap-v-rest-more-pointless-than-vi-v.html



Steve


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Just published: https://medium.com/ @ironick/ding-dong-service- oriented-architecture-is- finally-really-dead- 3e6218da8ab https://medium.com/@ironick/ding-dong-service-oriented-architecture-is-finally-really-dead-3e6218da8ab


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[Michael Poulin [e-mail] [service-orientated-architecture]]

Nick, are you drunk? SOA is everywhere now, in each business and majority of IT Architecture. What is dead is Technology integratintion mistakenly known as “SOA”. It was pronounced dead in 2009. Modern technology is about service compositions regardless how uneducated people call it. My best wishes to you. - Michael Poulin,   Board Member of Business Architecture Society


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